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daily from kag any and frig inlacey. and no, i don't know if shelves kag any or lacey. in the meantime, i don't really blame taka lee own. we're going to miss other on sunday nights, but we wish her all the best, all the brightest and all that gentleman's on the ridiculous. time to turn things over to done lemon. cnn tonight starts now. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. today when i woke up and saw the emotional interview with the grieving gold march widow mrs. johnson, my heart was broken like most of you and then moments later the president tweeted and i was shocked. i felt compelled to write an open letter to president trump and i want to share that letter with you right now. dear mr. president, i interviewed you multiple times. you've introduced me to your family. you've also criticized me publicly, both in front of cameras and on twitter, calling
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me hateful, dumb, a light weight. some of your friends had suggested you expected better of me and i'd not sure why you'd expect anything other than fairness and facts first. we know you get a lot of your news from tv. several of your friends and supporters have told me you watch this show. so since i have this platform, i'd like to speak to you personally right now. i feel compelled to do that after this latest controversy with the widow of sergeant la david johnson. your tweet this morning essentially called her a liar. mr. trump, please stop it. please, stop. think of what sergeant johnson would want. you are putting his widow in the terrible position of having to fight for her dignity when she should be concentrating on taking care of herself, her
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health, her two children and the one on the way. i want you to listen to what she said this morning. >> the president said that he knew what he signed up for, but it hurts any ways. and i was -- it made me cry because i was very angry at the tone of his voice and how he said it. he couldn't remember my husband name. the only way erm my husband name because he told me he had my husband report in front of him, and that's when he actually said la david. >> i know you have children. you have two daughters. can you imagine ivanka or tiffany in her shoes having a fight with the kmantder in chief while they are pregnant and grieving? if she is mad at you, take it.
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just as president bush and others did. take it. it's part of what you signed up for when you decided to desend that escalator and throw your hat in the ring for president. you are the commander in chief, the president of the united states of america. the greatest country on earth. act like it. act like you know that you're big enough not to have to win every fight or respond to every criticism. act like you know where the high road is. competent and secure people ask for help all the time and they ask for forgive ps. insecure people think they know everything and need no help. and i want you to think about this. the only gold star families you have attacked are people of color. how does that look? apologize. and i'm going to end with some words to help you to that. you're welcome to use them. and so now i'm going to speak directly to mrs. johnson, as you
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should. mrs. johnson, since the president seems incapable of finding the right words, let me speak for the entire country. we are all sorry for what you are going through. all grief is different, and we cannot imagine how deep and profound yours is. we agree with you that la david, your hoe rehusband, was an awesome soldier, a great man, a great american. we know from what has been written about him that he wanted to be someone great, do great things with his life and he was great, and he did great things. he is a role model to me. when his photos come on the tv screen or i see them in the newspaper, i am so incredibly proud of him and what he accomplished. and to be extremely candid with you and with the world, as a black man i'm always looking for role models who look like me and the latest one i found was your husband, la david. may he rest in peace.
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and may you find peace when you can finally get a good night's sleep knowing that this is america. we got your back. believe that. signed me, don lemon. now i want to turn now to cnn senior political analyst -- sorry. i'm sorry. welcome, everyone. mark, thank you all for joining us. mark, as you just heard the widow of la david johnson spoke outed today and said president trump made her cry. less than an hour later he tweeted this i had a very respectful conversation with the widow of sergeant la david johnson and spoke his name from the beginning. a president responds with a tweet denying it.
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why does this president always need to have the last word? >> well, don, before we get to the core of donald trump, if you can put that tweet back up, what i think is very important about that tweet that donald trump said this morning is at the very end he write and spoke his name from beginning without hesitation, exclamation point as to note how much he meant when he sent that tweet about the widow mrs. johnson. why does donald trump do this? none of us will e truly know but we have seen throughout the campaign and we have seen now throughout his eight or nine months in office that donald trump doesn't know how to express empathy in a way that normal people do. donald trump does not realize that his zwrob as leader of the free world, commander of the united states, leader of the armed forces that you have to be the bigger man not some of the time all of the time. that sometimes you have to take a burchl in the nose and bleed a little bit and walk away from
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the quote, unquote unquote, as the loser. and what we saw from donald trump is in the past 12 hours or so is that he is incapable of doing it, don. >> you made similar calls notifying families of casualties. what was that like for you? is there any good way to make a call like that? >> it's very tough, don, because what you're trying to do is you're trying to put yourself in that family's shoes. you want to be able to not only tell them that you feel for them, but also plain to them what is next, you know, you have certain procedures that the military follows and you want to explain those procedures. and sometimes it isn't the right time to do that. but what you do is you try to empathize with them. you tell them that you're going to be there for them and you're going to help them through this process and that they can call you anytime. that's the kind of thing that you have to do as a commander. it's hard for the president to be available, i think, to all of the fallen soldiers and all the gold star families, but none the the, the department of defense,
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the military, the respective services all need to do their part in order to make this happen so the families know that they are part of a larger family and that is the american family. >> the president, april, loves to talk about the military. he started with the whole controversy with the nfl by saying that kneeling is a protest against our troops. first it was the kauns -- and i mentioned this. it's only been two gold star families and they're families of color. how can he claim to support and appreciate our military while disrespecting military families and disrespecting the legacy of their loved ones. >> there's a huge contradiction, don, and you cannot ignore the history of it, you know, when he was running for president, when he was talking about john mccain, senator john mccain, who is a pow, who still carries the battle scars, carries his
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prisoner of war scars and i was talking about him being captured when he was running for president. and then when he was president-elect this fight -- well, not even president-elect. he was the nominee. this fight with the kahn family and now, you know, it does not bode well for a president of the united states who is the moral leader of this nation. he's supposed to bring comfort and his heart to the situation. and it doesn't play well at a time when, you know -- and i talked to someone very close to the family just moments before i came on the air with you tonight. the family is going to find out officially tomorrow if there indeed remains in the casket that mrs. johnson met at the airport. they are concerned because all she received is dog tags and she has not been able to see anything and she wants to find out and was supposed to find out
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tomorrow from according to a person close to the family that they're going to find out tomorrow if there's any remains in the casket. >> and he's calling her liar on twitter. mark, mrs. johnson said that she still has questions about how her husband was killed, as you said, she's, as we have heard, she said she didn't even know if there was a body in the casket. we know that his body was recovered 48 hours after the attack. the chairman of the joint chiefs general joseph dunford spoke to reporters today. did we get any answer from him? >> first of all, this happened on october 4th, so it's been 19 days since we heard from the joint chiefs. as you said, general dunford coming out today. i personally cannot fault him for not having any answers because clearly the fog of war right now is zo dense and they're trying to figure out what has happened. but what we did learn from general dunford today is, one, he showed empathy and he
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realized that the american people deserve to know what happened, that the family of the four fallen american soldiers deserve to know what happened. but as the facts as we know them right now, they're on their way back from a reconnaissance mission. there was 12 people in their unit. they were ambushed by 50 isis fighters. the fire fight went on for an hour before they asked for help. a drone was then sent in and started showing aerial photographs. from that point on french fighters came in. so they are two hours into the fight at that point. in the end, though, don, four u.s. soldiers dead. five nigerian soldiers dead. and we talk a lot about la david johnson as we should, but the other three names of these fallen heroes, dustin write, brian black and jeremiah johnson all per i should on october 4th. and right now the u.s. military still has no answers about why they were attacked, how they were attacked and why it took 48
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hours to get la david johnson's body back into u.s. hands. >> i want you all to stick around. we have much more to talk about. when we come back, proving that a war hero never gets up the fight. who he says found a doctor that would say that he had a bone spur to avoid serving in vietnam. take a wild guess who he was talking about. t-mobile's unlimited now includes netflix on us. that's right. netflix on us. get 4 unlimited lines for just $40 bucks each. taxes and fees included. and now netflix included. so go ahead. binge on us. another reason why t-mobile is america's best unlimited network. with flavors you'll love.re like new savory grilled mediterranean shrimp.
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the outrage over president
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trump's call to a gold star widow all starred last night. he claimed that he had the white house frantic behind the scenes. well, my panel is back now to talk about why that is. a white house has confirmed to cnn that they tried to expedite condo lessons letters to families of the fallen soldiers after the president said this a week ago. >> i've written them personal letters. they've been sent or going out tonight, but they were during the weekend. >> so then the next day the president said he called virtually every family that had a lost military servicemember this year. but role call is saying after those comments the white house was scam bling to get information on those families. what does that say to you about the state of this white house? >> well, i mean, look, we could have this conversation three months ago.
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we could have had it six months ago. the fact of the matter is that this is a white house has very much inexperienced at how to govern. the idea that they were going to come in and drain the swamp and take over washington, well, guess what? you need the players here in washington to understand how to run government in order for government to run. and also, this is an example, don, of president trump getting out in front of himself. he just says things and he expects people to believe it. if i say it, believe it. it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. and we've seen time and time again that hiss white house aides from the very, very top all the way down, as you go through the west wing into the east wing and elsewhere, the fact of the matter is they're always trying to cleanup after something that he has either said or he has said on twitter. >> it's always a problem of his own making. colonel lay ton, a white house official said that there were bureaucratic reasons why some of the letters had not gone out.
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they said they were delayed because the servicemember had been involved in multiple casualties incident. is that a valid excuse? does that complicate things? >> it makes it a volume issue, perhaps, don, to put is in a very crass way. but i would say, no, you have a situation where you know that something has happened. you should have procedures in place to handle it. the department of defense has procedures. each of the services have procedures to deal with this. even down at the unit level they have procedures. so everything should really be running like a smoothly oiled machine at this point because there is precedent. there are ways to do these kinds of things. and the fact that the white house is scrambling after the president made the statements that you played, that is a real problem, because it shows that there are issues that are perhaps deeper than what we're seeing right now, and it is indicative that the staff work that needs to go into this kind of operation really isn't happening and the staff work is necessary. >> yeah. april, also tonight, the president's military service or
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lack thereof is in the spotlight now. again, all of these things he's bringing up on his own, making his own problems. after senator john mccain criticized people who found a day to say they had a bone spur to stay out of military service. >> people thought you were talking about. >> trump. >> president trump because he had a doctor's note that said he had bone spurs. >> i think more than once, yes. >> more than once. >> do you consider him a draft dodger? >> i don't consider him so much a draft dodger as i feel the system was so wrong that certain americans could evade their responsibilities to serve the country. >> what i picked up on there was i didn't consider him a draft dodger so much. are you surprised we haven't heard a response from the
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president on this? >> i think the president and his inner circle understand that some things in these last couple of days he may just have to take for a moment. he's gone out vigorously against senator john mccain. he's also said that, you know, on other issues, if senator mccain wants to keep on he's going to show him a fight. but i think in light of niger, everything happening there, with the loss of the u.s. and nigerian soldiers, that this president has to step back. john mccain is a pow. he was a prisoner of war. he has given service to this country, and he continues to serve. and he is a republican. it does not bode well for this president to fight back against john mccain at this point in time when republicans and democrats are very hurt in their heart about what's happening over these last -- over this last week with the war of words, with various people. john mccain has a right to speak
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like anyone else, but right now, i guess like you said early on, the president has to take it. >> thank you all. i appreciate the conversation. thank you very much. when we come back, president trump essentially calling gold star widow johnson a liar today. i'm going to ask one of his close friends why the president can't just apologize and let the whole thing go. whoooo.
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today sprut disputed a gold star widow's account of his condo lessons call after her husband's death. it's been almost a week since that call, but what keeps the story in the headlines? his tweets. why won't he let this go. i want to bring in christopher ruddy, a close friend of the president. so why can't he just let this go? >> first of all, thank you for coming on the show. why can't he just let it go? >> i'm not the president of the united states. >> and the media is not stopping. you know, everybody like the "washington post" headline, he's sparring with -- he's not saying anything negative about this widow. first of all, i have total sympathy for her. i am not going to criticizes
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her. i have not seen the president criticize her one eye oh at that. she has said things now, just come out. she's probably under a lot of pressure. this president, i can never imagine him saying to the wife of a slain soldier something that would be inconsiderate. the "washington post" to their credit, don, two days ago put out a video of a -- >> we played it here. i know what you're talking. >> but that's a powerful. you should be playing that every night. how much did you play of that video. >> we played it once or twice on this show. >> a full clip? >> yes, we played it. we watched it, chris. i'm here to talk about the one -- so basically -- she did an interview. she said that no one had -- she said that the congresswoman didn't lie, that her assessment of the call was accurate and that he couldn't remember the name and she thought he was disrespectful. she says -- he said i was disrespectful and none of that
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happened. that's aulg her a liar. >> i think we now have the frederica rule in american politics which is never argue with the widow. >> are you talking about the. >> he accused the congresswoman of lying. >> no, no, no. the widow. >> well, the widow was on "good morning america" and said exactly what the -- >> and he said he didn't say that. so now he's calling the widow a liar. >> look, look, this is a very sensitive issue, right? i think donald trump has a long history much backing veterans of the he's probably done for more veterans than any president has done in six years. >> what's your ed of that? >> well, we just did a cover story in news maximum mag zblien about how his secretary is -- getting huge rye views from people said inside the agency -- >> why would he fight with a gold star widow? >> first of all, he's never
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attacked her. she said something that he said was not true. if he says, hey, it's not true. fed reka went around saying there were white supremacists -- >> frederica wilson will have to answer what she's done. she didn't handle it perfectly. >> but you're making a lot rf noise about what she says. >> he's the president of the united states. >> right. have you read dana per even notice's book? she has an account of when the former president george w. bush was beat up by a gold star widow and he got into the car and said that mom is really mad at me and she has every right to be. that's the high road. >> i think it's really sad that this congresswoman used this as a political basketball against the president. >> again, we're talking about the widow. >> anyone should watch that -- >> i've seen the "washington post" video -- you're going back to a shiny object, christ off. we played it on the show.
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>> i doubt you played the whole thing. >> we played it on the show last friday, guys? >> maybe we should show it again. >> yes, we did. >> you can produce news max tv, but we played it on the show. we asked analysts about that. >> the truth is this is a side show because you don't want to talk about any of achievements as president. he's very close to getting tax reform -- >> i'm talking to you about the controversy that he's in now and you're throwing out shiny objects because you don't want to talk about the responsibility the president has in this matter. let's stick to the topic at hand. >> i hate to say it but you're almost as historical as congresswoman wilson. >> i should be historical. america -- >> she has claimed -- >> gold star widow, someone who lost their lives in war fighting for this country -- >> you're -- >> you're not historical about it. he should be historical about it as well. he should be fighting for fairness and to get answers for that woman instead of pointing
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to shiny objects, calling a congresswoman weak, trying to discredit her reputation and calling the widow a liar. and you're saying that i'm historical? man, come on. >> look, i think that the president probably shouldn't have responded nor should have general kelly to a congresswoman from miami who runs around wearing a cowboy hat. >> what's wrong with wearing a cow woi hat. >> it's unusual. >> what's -- >> i think she's showing herself to be a little different. >> for senate down with the gun? what about roadway moore with the cowboy hat and the moore? what about the sheriff that -- what about the way that donald trump copies his hair? what does it have to do with what she wears? >> if any other president did something like this that was a question, it would be a blip on the -- >> he has a history of being -- >> i am sorry if i did something
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wrong, if you took what i said and it hurt you, i apologize for that. i can't imagine the grooet that you're going through. >> you've met donald trump. do you think in your heart of hearts, don, of all the things frederica says there are white supremacists in the white house. can you name me one person you think in the white house is a white supremacists because i know a whole bunch of people there. >> when you speak to frederica wilson, why don't you ask her that. >> you've had her on the show. >> i've had her on a phone call and if she comes i may ask her -- >> i mean, that's pretty -- donald trump is the type of guy you start saying there's white supremacists in the white house, he's going to respond pack to her. i personally wouldn't respond. i would completely ignore -- >> he didn't say i am not a white supremacist. there are no white supremacists in this white house. i will not put up with that. ned he called her weak and then tried to get votes off of it
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saying you should vote republican. he's not politicizing? you think he's president trump sizing it to say vote for republican because of congresswoman wilson. >> well, she's not -- >> by asking people to vote republican because of frederica wilson? >> well, i think it's inappropriate for what she said and it's not a good reflection on the democratic party. >> the president try to get votes off the back of a -- >> your hipt cal question on this. >> no. he said that. he tweeted it twice that this was the best thing for the republican party, the weak congresswoman. >> being that she accused him of caseism that had nothing to do -- even if he did say something inappropriate, the phone call, the fact this she said clearly indicates what her motive was. she has a political cause her. the public is seeing through this, don. >> maybe she thinks and i can't speak for her -- >> did you see the speech he gave? >> white supremacists --
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>> did you see the speech he dave -- >> maybe she thinks there's some there there. i don't know. you'll have to ask her. >> i've known the man a long time never heard him even utter a racist word let alone infer a racist idea or concept. >> does he prioritize racism -- >> what's the racism he's guilty of? there's nothing he's done that's racist. >> really, the first black president was born in kenya. he had evidence which he never produced. the central park guy that they should be locked up. >> i don't think questioning -- i believe that barak obama was born in hawaii. he did not release his birth certificate. that took a long time. >> because donald trump and some people -- >> it took a couple of years -- had barak obama just released that, it would have been fine. >> he also wanted the president to -- >> didn't believe that this black president got the grades
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and was able to get into harvard university and then said he should release his college records. why? >> the bottom line is we have a president here that has tremendous achievements in eight mogs in office. he's probably bought in about 3 -- >> i've got to go to the break. >> i'm starting to talk about -- you're going to come back and we're going to do another segment. >> okay. good. i'm looking forward to it. ♪
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we're back now. so you want to talk about accomplishments. so he calls himself a dealmaker. in the last nine months he hasn't signed any major legislation. why not? >> well, there's been over 50 bills passed. he comes in as the first nonpolitician in the history of the united states and he diverse to the house on healthcare bill that they had been supposedly working on for years. he's been blamed for the problem that they can't get this together. the senate didn't want to pass the house bill. so it's on the face of it it's not his responsibility. >> but one of the things i've noticed about -- i'll let you
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finish. >> he's on the verge of the tax bill. and the tax bill will be huge. >> i'm trying to give you some due here -- >> you let me finish by interrupting. >> no, no. because i want to make a point here. i think you're right in that they have been -- >> of course you want to make a point. >> they have been trying it for seven years, right, to repeal and replace and now that they have a republican white house, republican congress, republican senate and they still couldn't do it. so your point is taken. but doesn't the buck stop at the head? when you're the boss, if something happens at news maax, you're going to get blamed for it. >> but i think the american people are given him a lot more slack than you are. this is the first year. he's learning, fighting a lot of people in the establishment. i think he's on the verge of the tax bill. it's going to be very significant. big win. and i think they're going to come back to health care. they're going to go back on other stuff. and i think you'll see -- i also
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think he'll become more bipartisan after this tax bill. i think he's trying on daca. he did reach out to the democrats -- >> there's still not agreement. because he's heading to the hill tomorrow on the tax plan. do you think that he can accomplish that? >> i think he can. i think the negotiating position he wants more funding on the border wall but he's basically accepted the concept of the d.r.e.a.m.ers staying. that's a huge change. but it's also a sign that he's willing to adjust, reach out. >> why do you think he's going to be more bipartisan or -- >> he's going to pivot. why do you think he's going to be -- >> it doesn't happen instantly. i think it's also a learning process for him coming in. every president is on-the-job training. he particularly didn't have any political background. he likes to do things in a business like way. that obviously doesn't fit in washington. but i think you're going to see cuts going down, personal taxes,
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corporate tax the it's already impacting the market with the highest stock market in history. >> analysts have said that these tax cuts benefit the super rich, the healthy. is he abandoning this plan? >> i think when the economy is growing, it benefits everybody. >> his base. >> it benefits everybody. we basically lived through a period under barak obama where there were in tax cuts. in fact, he raised taxes on everyone, including people in the middle class with obamacare taxes -- >> you realize like we were in the worst recession since -- >> he kept interest rates at zero. the wealthiest -- >> you do understand that we are in the worst recession and had to dig ourselves out of a hole. >> i gave barak obama for giving us some stability during that period but i think you also have to give donald trump a chance. i think we've got to pass the tax bill. we've estimated at 300 billion
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from sawed i didn't see in new jobs. he's going over to china. he's going to be bringing in billions and billions on this asia trip. he's not looking for ceremonial dinners. he's looking for contracts and deals where they come and invest in great jobs in america. a stimulus package, $300 billion was almost half of what obamacare as stimulus was and he's done that without legislation. gets no credit for it whatsoever. he will get credit for it when the american people actually start to feel some of these things that you're saying he's -- >> he's done a lot. >> we haven't felt any of that yet. >> the stock market which is i huge effect on the committee. we have -- >> the stock market is on speculation. >> they have record breaking confidence with small business. people ask me who donald trump's
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base is. it's not breitbart. it's independent people, small business people. people of every political stripe. and they're seeing the impact. you meet small business people. they love the guy because they feel he's actually fighting for them. less government regulation. less taxes for business. >> i've got to go, but i meet business people -- >> i think i've glinsed you you actually started becoming more reasonable -- >> because i want to give him credit for that. if you're talking about confidence in the market, yes, that is true. the market has been building overtime. now, it started with obama administration, but the market has reached record levels now and that has a lot to do with confidence in the market and you have to give -- you asked me about small business -- i meet a lot of small business owners and they say i'm waiting on this guy to give me what he promised. >> it's him and the congress, right, so he needs them to pass legislation. so we need to encourage people to get their congress men to support the tax bill, which he's arguing for. >> i know people think we spar, but i actually know this guy and
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he's all right sometimes. >> i don't say the same thing about you behind your back, so. >> thank you, chris. >> good to see you, don. >> when we come back, there's a pattern behind how the president speaks to and about black women. my abdominal pain and bloating made daily life a guessing game.
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president trump essentially calling gold star widow johnson a liar, taunting frederica wilson weak. is race behind all this? let's discuss now. good evening to all of you. thank you forth coming on. anna, after mrs. johnson spoke publicly this morning, president trump almost immediately disputed her characterization of their phone call on twitter. i know you feel strongly about this. why does his response -- what should his response have been, i should say? >> silence, respect, honoring the service of a fallen soldier, calling the widow and telling her i'm sorry if i made you cry. that was not my intent. i want you to know how much i respect and i honor your service of your fallen husband and that this country and i will embrace
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you for the rest of your life and for your children's' life. instead he just can't help himself. he has no impulse control. i mean, there are children that have more discipline and more impulse control and more common sense than this man does who for some reason is the commander of chief, the lame excuse for chander in chief. just when i think he can't offend me anymore, just when i think he can't make me any more mad, he does. and for him to pick a fight with a gold star family for eight days now, that's not silly. that's not stupid. it's disgusting. it is grow stesk and it is outrageous. >> he had, people from political analysts to gold star families say this whole altercation may have something to do with race. congresswoman wilson also hinted that this was racially charged on "the new york times." the white house itself is full of white supremacists. would you agree? >> well, look, i think the -- anna's responses sort of captures what a whole bunch of
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people are feeling, and i think we have to be respectful of what. but i think a whole lot of americans are looking up and they're saying when politics is played with a sacred moment, whether it's the kahn family in the summer at the convention or the congresswoman in this case, we're proud and >> all the president is saying is that general kelly and others have counseled him and witnessed what he said, his attempt to be respectful. after that it's not only unfair i wish ana would turn her rage at the congresswoman for politicizing a sacred moment. there's lots of ways -- >> let me tell you this. here's the problem with your theory. >> -- instead of holding it on national television like the congresswoman did. at the end of the day we're --
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>> let me respond to you, ed. i am sick of you guys saying the same thing over and over again about how my side lost. yes, you're right. i supported jeb bush and he lost, i supported john mccain and he lost. >> you supported hillary clinton. >> i supported hillary clinton, and she lost. but right now i am an american citizen and donald trump whether i like it or not, whether it aaccept it or not is the president of the krooununited s. that means my president, fredrika wilson's president, don's president, and she's got to behave with respect -- the reason i won't turn on congresswoman fredrika is she's a congresswoman from my state.
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what that widow said today is practically verbatim of what the widow said. you're picking a fight with a mother and you're picking a fight with a widow who are all saying that that is exactly what they heard. and also respect the fact that for 25 years fredrika wilson has had a program to mentor at risk kids from that community and has graduated thousands of kids -- >> but she was wrong in this case, ana. >> let angela get in please. >> she is a family friend. >> she took advantage of the situation. >> no, she didn't take advantage of it. let me start here. congresswoman fredrika wilson, because that's how we pronounce her name, she's a former principal, a former school educator. and ana just made mention of the program she runs in her district, 5,000 mentors. and that program is something la david johnson went through.
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she is not a politician politicizing this whatsoever. she was in the car because she's a dear friend a central part of his upbringing, sir. so i want to correct the record there. the biggest issue we have here is if it's not congresswoman fredrika wilson then it's congresswoman maxine waters. if it's not susan rice, then it's jemele hill from espn. he has an issue with strong, black women. >> no, no. you're cherry picking. >> no, i'm not cherry picking. i just gave you several exampless. if it's not a strong black woman it's a strong black man. i'm saying there is a clear clear pattern of his bull yaeg behavior and it starts with
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black women. >> don, there are 16 republicans, couple are hispanic, one was a woman, one was a black guy. there's lots of wommembers of congress, some black guys, some white guys. if you're -- >> she's trying to tell you her name is fredrika. >> she doesn't care what your race is, your height, little rocket man, whatever, he's going to come back at you. >> listen, if you're a chander in chief going after a gold star family -- when we come back the first lady kicking off her anti-bullying efforts today. has she read her twitter account?
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back now with my panel. the first lady's talking about her new anti-bullying campaign, yet her husband's twitter feed is like the biggest -- if you want to find what a bully is, go to the president's twitter feed. and like what some people said he did with the congresswoman and the widow this morning, what do you think about that? >> fredrika wilson, don -- >> what did i say? i'm sorry, that's my coworker. go on. >> fair enough. so it is very interesting that they would have a bullying campaign coming from her office. and she announced it of course on twitter, which is even more interesting because you know donald trump often uses his
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platform not just to bully black women as he talks about his in last segment but also to attack nfl players. instead of dealing with real issues. you would think with 21 million people following him on his platform, he would use it for generating support. >> this month alone the president has continued to tweet his derogatory nickname for the congresswoman calling her whacky. he also mocked senator bob corker's height, dubbing him little bob corker. "the new york times" even has a list of 382 people, places and things donald trump husband insulted on twitter. and does melania need to square her bullying campaign with her husband's behavior? >> first of all, i commend her for having this anti-bullying effort. but there is an inconsistency when the guy next to her in the bed is one of the biggest bullies around. like what president george bush
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said last week, the president bullying affects the tone. there are people in the white house enabling him. because they're afraid if they take him on and they are truthful, they will get fired and they would like to continue in their job. melania can't get fired. ivanka trump can't get fired. september thought what ivanka was there for, to make him be the softer brand of the detergent? then let them try to do that because the other people obviously can't. they are the family. and i mean i have got to think that melania trump and ivanka trump have got to think that their husband and father tweeting against a gold star family for eight days is insane and insensitive. so for the love of god, do the country a favor and do something about it. >> listen, if i had a parent -- if my parent was behaving this way, i would say, mom, you need
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to stop. something is up. so maybe in some way -- not in someway -- they're complicit. >> i think one of the great things about this president right now around him are some really powerful, successful people. general kelly. melania is a strong, smart lady. nikkei haley has risen up. i do think they offset some of his political street fighting. ask i think the more melania gets out there, the way she broadens the way people see this president. she knew he had some flaws in his life. instead he's running to make america great again. out here, don, you know in st. louis, you worked out here people are looking up and going things are going in the right direction. we feel excited about it. >> america has always been -- you c

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